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Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Member
Joined: 9/2/2009 Posts: 59 Location: Malvern
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As you all know ... these forums were somewhat hijacked by one (or a couple) person who has an axe to grind against the new school board members. They created fake accounts and flooded the board with posts from several fake user accounts. They made crazy claims of conspiracy, and Frank, our loyal moderator, was able to uncover the actual conspiracy coming from these fake users.
I'd like to just start a new thread here that recognizes some very big and nice steps that the new School Board has taken to make the GVSD budget process remarkably open and accessible to everyone.
1. Holding the first ever open and public finance subcommittee meeting.
This subcommittee makes budget decisions and debates policy ... the old Board never televised it. In fact, the old Board only sent a few members to the meeting where the policy was created. We saw SEVEN of the nine board members at this meeting, televised, and open to all. (the missing members were Carr and McTear).
2. Posting extensive budget information online.
The new superintendent and board are now putting some great materials online. For example, the substitute days used by teachers were requested at a meeting, and astonishingly, the information was put online for all to see!! We can now have real discussions of how the days are taken (whether pro or con).
3. Multiple Board Meetings devoted entirely to debate and discussion of the budget.
If you've followed the school board, the past two meetings have been amazing. The Board actually discussed and debated live and in public. The old Board rarely had discussions, back and forth arguments, or even questions. This Board has already had multiple Board meetings devoted entirely to just this. I'm sure more are to come.
Whether you disagree with the recent 2.9% cap, or you love it. These are great steps that let the public get more involved.
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Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Administration
Joined: 5/17/2008 Posts: 115 Location: Charlestown
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It's a shame the other thread was hijacked like it was - there was some good stuff in there. Especially a shame is that GVParent's thoughtful reply was buried.
One part in GVParent's comment I agreed with is the whole raises issue. With national U6 unemployment (which is a more complete picture of the unemployment rate) at 17.5% and very few of the people that have jobs getting raises last year or even the year before, it seems very strange that government workers at all levels continue to get raises as if we're in the best of boom times. My sister-in-law is a public school teacher and I'm very pro-teacher. I just don't understand the thinking behind the most recent contract.
Don't get me wrong; the prior school board wasn't all bad. They must've been doing a lot right because they got me to move to Charlestown Township specifically for the schools.
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Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Member
Joined: 9/2/2009 Posts: 59 Location: Malvern
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It's true, and people on both sides seem to agree that teacher and administration salaries/benefits make up the largest part of the budget.
I think those who seek fiscal discipline need to make a stronger argument. It goes something like this. First...the teachers' union negotiated yet another raise and the old school board gave it to them. Teachers are getting raises above inflation again, and this during the greatest recession in decades. After giving them raises for the next 4 years, 6 of the 9 board members left. The superintendent left. There is now very little accountability for these raises on the admin side. Hence, the teachers union needs to take responsibility.
It is the teachers' raises that are cutting our kids' programs. If you are scared that programs will be cut, ask the union to retract these raises and give back to the kids.
You see, the pro-tax side can always say, "it's for the kids". The fiscal responsibility side now needs to take that same slogan, "it's for the kids", and shove it back into the union's face. If you are for the kids, stop taking money away from our best programs like music and the arts, and giving it to yourselves. See how I threw in music and the arts? Don't leave that just for the pro-union people to use. It's time for fiscal constraint to show that music and the arts can be empowered if we funded the arts more, and bloated union salaries less.
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Rank: Member Groups: Member
Joined: 1/25/2010 Posts: 10
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sammy, new thread, same old story from you... there's no "both sides seem to agree" about it, look at the budget, salaries and benefits make up 65% of the budget . it's a fact. your argument that it's all the teachers' fault is a hogwash. It takes two parties to negotiate. the "old" board didn't have to agree to the current contract.
this is what i love about conservatives. you all use information when it is convenient and ignore the bigger picture. in America we operate in a capitalistic, free-market economy, the best system in the world. part of that system says that employees are entitled to the highest compensation their employers are willing to pay them. I don't hear you calling for AIG and Goldman Sachs executives to give back their (contracted)bonuses after their companies where bailed out by Paulson/Bush/Cheney/Congress. Phillies ticket prices keep going up in this bad economy. where's the call for Howard, Utley and Rollins to give back part of their big (contracted) salaries so that ticket prices can be held in check. (salaries that they earn mostly in taxpayer funded ballparks by he way.) the teachers and the school board agreed to a contract. the important thing now is to figure out how to make things work within the confinds of the contract. we need to move on from blame game.
sammy, if you want to blame someone, blame the "old" board, but stop beating up the union. I agree the board gave away much more than they should have and showed a real lack of foresight. I understand that you are an anti-union person, but histoically unions have done many good things for the working class of this great county. it is too bad that many unions are now as corrupt and dishonest as many of our once great corporations and most of our politicians
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Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Member
Joined: 9/2/2009 Posts: 59 Location: Malvern
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John19355 wrote:sammy, new thread, same old story from you... there's no "both sides seem to agree" about it, look at the budget, salaries and benefits make up 65% of the budget . it's a fact.
I'm glad you agree. I was trying to start from a common starting point. Are you mocking me for trying to establish a starting point of debate?
John19355 wrote:I don't hear you calling for AIG and Goldman Sachs executives to give back their (contracted)bonuses
Why would you hear me do that. This is about GV and our schools.
John19355 wrote:sammy, if you want to blame someone, blame the "old" board, but stop beating up the union.
I do blame the old board.
I agree with much of what you say, too. However, if you agree the contract was bad, why do you give the union a free pass? Why do you only place responsibility on the board? I'm assuming you believe our teachers want the best for our kids. If yes, then everything I wrote about expecting teachers to help fund our programs should follow logically. If no, then you are treating our teachers as simple employees and labor. That's a reasonable position to have, but then I hope you will support the Board the next time we negotiate contracts and treat teachers as pure labor and not a type of saint that educates our kids out of the goodness of their hearts.
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Joined: 4/7/2009 Posts: 18
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John19355 wrote:in America we operate in a capitalistic, free-market economy, the best system in the world. part of that system says that employees are entitled to the highest compensation their employers are willing to pay them. I don't hear you calling for AIG and Goldman Sachs
Hi John,
Actually this is a misconception. The public school system is inherently not capitalistic and does now follow free-market economic "rules". This is sort of why we're in the position that we are in right now. School boards must make financial decisions, but largely due so without competition from outside forces. This is why they can raise taxes (companies in competitive free markets obviously can't do this) and this is why teacher salaries are often way above (or even way below!) the normal wage that would occur in a competitive environment.
This is an important point to understand and I hope it brings to light the even greater importance that a school board be open and honest in their finances. Back to this thread's topic! Since there is little competitive pressure, public boards must be totally open on what and why they are spending what they are spending. The "free-market" is not there to correct them. All of these recent public meetings, subcommittees, and posting of budget documents is a great great (great) step toward that process. We sorely lacked it with previous boards.
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